tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8986375963954453859.post4348248809627804120..comments2024-03-25T14:16:16.893-05:00Comments on Irate, Tireless Minority: Immigration and FairnessCall Me Momhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17420259973871484926noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8986375963954453859.post-45673398086225939142008-12-28T23:49:00.000-06:002008-12-28T23:49:00.000-06:00Dr. D. said:"Thus, if I protect my home, but they...Dr. D. said:<BR/><I>"Thus, if I protect my home, but they invade the town, they are really not damaging me..."</I><BR/>This is a huge point. Neighborhoods are no longer the cohesive units they once were. My in-laws live in an old neighborhood. They know their neighbor's names and do favors for each other regularly. They are careful of each other. <BR/>My husband an I have not experienced this anywhere we have lived and we will be celebrating our 20th anniversary this spring.<BR/>I think the value of neighbors has been lost, or perhaps people are less forgiving and more scared now than they used to be.<BR/><BR/>Cookie Monster said: <I>"That means in a way that will not cause them loss of jobs, social standing, or family."</I><BR/>I am increasingly unsatisfied with the "safe" route. Maybe that's because I don't have much in the way of social standing or jobs. My family is the kind that will stick to you even if they don't agree with you(Praise God and may it continue to be so.)<BR/>The longer I am alive, the more I realize that I only have one life. While I may temper my opinions out of kindness or compassion,(or momentary weakness) that is about the only reason I would do so. If you are not willing to risk for your opinions, you need to re-examine why you have them. <BR/>That is not to say you must shove them down people's throats at every opportunity, but there should not be any reason to hold them back when it is appropriate to air them. Your boss does not own you, he/she is only purchasing your time and talents. If your peers would not associate with you if they knew your opinions, you need different peers.Call Me Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17420259973871484926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8986375963954453859.post-70760714980481477022008-12-28T17:56:00.000-06:002008-12-28T17:56:00.000-06:00I agree. Now where did that cookie go?CookieMonst...I agree. Now where did that cookie go?<BR/><BR/>CookieMonsterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8986375963954453859.post-9589548228168589012008-12-28T17:08:00.000-06:002008-12-28T17:08:00.000-06:00I think that CookieMonster has touched on a critic...I think that CookieMonster has touched on a critical point in the example regarding a challenge to Christian duty. I think, however, that the proposed answer is insufficient. To simply answer politely that we see things differently does not change anyone's mind. I think we have to be prepared to spell out, in detail, exactly why we think as we do and we have to insist that they hear us out. They brought it up, after all, so they must hear the explanation. Anything less lets them off too easy, and lets any third party think that perhaps they were right. All involved need to hear our reasons stated very, very clearly and strongly. This takes courage and conviction, but this is what is required of us these days.<BR/><BR/>On a somewhat related (but also somewhat tangential) subject, the PC police often use sweeping generalities and I think I have found a tool that can be of some use against them. On another site I was chastised for being rude and arrogant (really for being un-PC) in a private message from one of the site monitors. I wrote back to him and said that I would consider his charges if he gave me specifics, but that I was not going to listen to generalities. I have not heard back from him.<BR/><BR/>Speaking up, and speaking up vigorously, is a matter of prime importance for us individually and as a nation. If we do not, we are lost. But these are simply the steps that we, as individuals need to be taking to protect our liberties from all the encroachments of government, including open borders and government sponsored introduction of aliens into our nation (for example the resettlement of Somalis in the upper midwest).Dr.Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18360786634583725263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8986375963954453859.post-80670045180170294862008-12-28T16:25:00.000-06:002008-12-28T16:25:00.000-06:00The only thing I would suggest people do is consci...The only thing I would suggest people do is consciously resist and question political correctness and encourage others to do the same. They should do this in whatever way is appropriate for themselves. That means in a way that will not cause them loss of jobs, social standing, or family. It will be different for each person.<BR/><BR/>(For example, if someone tells you it is the Christian thing to do to allow unrestricted immigration, you might tell them, in a friendly way, that you don't understand your Christian duty that way, at all.)<BR/><BR/>The Marxian "long march through the institutions," whose results we are experiencing, did not take place overnight. Correcting it is not going to happen overnight. But it is not going to happen at all if people do not assert their own cultural and individual rights. That starts with freedom of thought, inquiry, and expression.<BR/><BR/>Have courage. Take heart. Be proud of your cultural legacy.<BR/><BR/>CookieMonsterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8986375963954453859.post-82423143191124003502008-12-28T15:47:00.000-06:002008-12-28T15:47:00.000-06:00I would certainly agree that there are those who a...I would certainly agree that there are those who are taking advantage of our isolation in order to push their "citizen of the world" agenda. But, I'll bite, CookieMonster. How do I, as an individual, do anything different to stop them? I am not disagreeing with anything you have said, but I don't think you have spelled out your solution as yet. Please do so.Dr.Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18360786634583725263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8986375963954453859.post-77311165397048572462008-12-28T15:40:00.000-06:002008-12-28T15:40:00.000-06:00Thanks for the welcome and the additional discussi...Thanks for the welcome and the additional discussion. If I may, I'll take some issue with the following part of Dr.D's analysis:<BR/><BR/><I>"I think this is caused in large part by the atomization of society. We don't see ourselves as a whole, as a group any longer. Instead we are think of ourselves simply as isolated individuals for the most part."</I><BR/><BR/>Yes. But we miss something important if we see the situation only as a result of atomization and isolation. Atomization and isolation seem like things that "just happened" -- things that are unwilled. Understandable, maybe, but certainly not controlled or controllable. Sort of like the weather. <BR/><BR/>But you know that there are people and organizations actively pushing the idea that we should be "citizens of the world," rather than owners of the nation we live in. People who are willing what is happening and who are accomplishing it.<BR/><BR/>The distinction may not seem like much, but I think it is crucial <B>for us -- for how we think and react.</B> It determines whether we look at the situation as a phenomenon to be analyzed and endured, or one where someone is stealing our lunch and we need to act appropriately.<BR/><BR/>Best to you.<BR/><BR/>CookieMonsterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8986375963954453859.post-54821032008177492742008-12-28T14:16:00.000-06:002008-12-28T14:16:00.000-06:00CookieMonster makes a good point with the analogy,...CookieMonster makes a good point with the analogy, but the place where I think it breaks down for most people (unfortunately), is that they do not see their country in the same light as they see their own home. Invading their home is personal; invading their country is relatively impersonal because most Americans today have very little attachment to America. We have come to a very sad state of affairs in that regard.<BR/><BR/>I think this is caused in large part by the atomization of society. We don't see ourselves as a whole, as a group any longer. Instead we are think of ourselves simply as isolated individuals for the most part. Thus, if I protect my home, but they invade the town, they are really not damaging me (or so the thinking goes) so much as they are damaging all the other folks that I don't really care about. I am not united to the rest of my neighbors like I would have been a generation ago.<BR/><BR/>To a great extent, the atomization is the result of the transient nature of our society. Americans have moved around more than any other people on the face of the earth. I know that this is true of me personally, and it is true for us as a nation as well. It has been enormously destructive to the sense of community that once united us but now no longer exists.Dr.Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18360786634583725263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8986375963954453859.post-20644518482248752462008-12-28T14:04:00.000-06:002008-12-28T14:04:00.000-06:00oops *their*oops *their*Call Me Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17420259973871484926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8986375963954453859.post-83744111887253030782008-12-28T14:03:00.000-06:002008-12-28T14:03:00.000-06:00Hello Cookie Monster and welcome to the blog.You s...Hello Cookie Monster and welcome to the blog.<BR/><BR/>You said: "The accusation of being unfair makes people shut up pretty quickly."<BR/><BR/>It does and that's an underlying problem everywhere. It's a fairly successful manipulation technique and there aren't enough people who are willing/able to recognize that, refute it and stand up for their principles or even theri opinions.<BR/><BR/>I agree that there is nothing wrong with protecting what we have.Call Me Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17420259973871484926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8986375963954453859.post-7021459496303465392008-12-28T13:46:00.000-06:002008-12-28T13:46:00.000-06:00New reader here. I agree with most of what you're...New reader here. I agree with most of what you're saying, but recommend you think about this part a little more:<BR/><BR/>"...we hear so many people basing their arguments these days on ... "fairness" "...because we, as Americans, have been conditioned from an early age to question authority and to want to make things "fair" for everyone."<BR/><BR/>Perhaps. Here's the real reason, in my view. Organized groups pushing maximum immigration (and other things you probably don't like) have recognized that "fairness" is an important selling point for the general public. The accusation of being unfair makes people shut up pretty quickly. So yes, Americans do want to be fair. But it's important to understand that their sense of fairness is being systematically and cynically exploited.<BR/><BR/>Similar point about the moral high ground: do we really need to justify stopping immigration? Should people who want to close the borders be on the defensive end of the argument? I don't think so. Here's an analogy: Even though you are a generous person, you probably do not leave the door of your home open with the understanding that people may come in, set up housekeeping, take what they want, trash the place, and assert that you didn't even own it to begin with. And you, even as a generous and compassionate Christian, probably do not feel the need to justify locking your door or calling the police in case someone breaks it down. How is controlling access to your country any different?<BR/><BR/>In any case, thanks for the nice blog.<BR/><BR/>-- CookieMonsterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8986375963954453859.post-33031227546408330902008-12-22T15:21:00.000-06:002008-12-22T15:21:00.000-06:00Dear Mom,I don't begin to profess to have all the ...Dear Mom,<BR/><BR/>I don't begin to profess to have all the answers. But I do have a few ideas.<BR/><BR/>The scoundrels in power would be just about every office holder in the US today, with a very few exceptions. Yes, I know that they are not all corrupt. But ever of the ones that are not corrupt, are they strong enough to do the things that required to turn things around? If the answer is "no" which it almost always is, then they need to be replaced by someone who will do things differently. Vote to replace all the incumbents.<BR/><BR/>You asked (partly), "How do we pass that info on to the American voting population in a way that will effect the change we need?" I think we have to get people to THINK AGAIN, and I realize that is a very tall order, but it is the only way I can see to do it. We have to get them to think and to realize that if something is too good to be true is most certainly is. If a politician is promising you a free lunch, the only way he can possibly deliver it is by stealing it from someone else and that is wrong. Therefore we must not elect such a politician and must get rid of him if he is in office.<BR/><BR/>You asked, "how do we insulate those who choose to serve as legislators and etc. from the temptations and coercions to which they will, as legislators, be subjected?" A major part of the insulation would come from term limits, very strict, very narrow term limits. I'm thinking of single term type limits, so that a man is elected to the legislature, serves his term, and then goes home. Couple this with laws forbidding him from accepting a new position with any company that benefited from legislation while he was in office and I think we might have the necessary insulation. Politics would not attract the same sort of people that it does today, and I think that would be a wonderful thing!<BR/><BR/>These are certainly not all of the answers, but I think that they are some of the things we need.Dr.Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18360786634583725263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8986375963954453859.post-69022024327505548312008-12-22T12:16:00.000-06:002008-12-22T12:16:00.000-06:00Sorry, That last one was me. I'm trying out this o...Sorry, That last one was me. I'm trying out this openid thing and, apparently, it's not quite where I want it to be yet.Call Me Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17420259973871484926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8986375963954453859.post-62355174297136964142008-12-22T12:10:00.000-06:002008-12-22T12:10:00.000-06:00"We will not get our country back until we throw t...<I>"We will not get our country back until we throw the scoundrels out. "</I><BR/><BR/>All righty then.<BR/> Dr. D., You suggest we start by throwing the scoundrels out. <BR/><BR/>What's our plan here? How do we identify the scoundrels? How do we pass that info on to the American voting population in a way that will effect the change we need and how do we change our current system to make it easier to identify such folks in the future? <BR/><BR/>Furthermore, how do we insulate those who choose to serve as legislators and etc. from the temptations and coercions to which they will, as legislators, be subjected?<BR/><BR/>I know some folks who might make good legislators who refuse to serve for those reasons. They don't want their families exposed to the constant public scrutiny that goes along with those positions. Or they are unwilling to risk their families' safety and futures on the whims of random crazies or pressures that might be brought to bear by large corporations. How do we insulate those who serve from such threats? Or is that part of the test of character? <BR/><BR/>Maybe I am only seeing the light partially, (By which , I think you mean to imply, that in your opinion, I am waking up to an unpleasant reality), but once seen, I want a plan of action.<BR/><BR/>I shall have to think about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8986375963954453859.post-81410171122866457952008-12-21T11:52:00.000-06:002008-12-21T11:52:00.000-06:00Dear Mom,You said, "Now I have to ask for reassura...Dear Mom,<BR/><BR/>You said, "Now I have to ask for reassurance that I'm just seeing shadows where none exist again."<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry, I think the shadows you see are because you only partially see the light. It is much worse than you seem to see.<BR/><BR/>It is not taxpayers that they want. It is voters that will always vote for them, voters who will replace those who have brains and might vote them out of office. They want to replace the native population with a foreign population that will see it to their advantage to keep in power the system that brought them (the new people) into the country. Our government has turned against us, the native population, and they are giving away our country to anyone who wants it. The government is treating the USA as though it was their own little fiefdom to be divided up and given away. They have completely forgotten that their duty and obligation is to serve and protect this nation. Now they see themselves as "citizens of the world," not as "citizens of the USA." There is a major difference!<BR/><BR/>We will not get our country back until we throw the scoundrels out. Until we pull our heads out of the sand and recognize that the government is against us, rather than for us, we are going down, down, down.<BR/><BR/>I am not aware of any Biblical parallel to our current situation. To be sure there were evil rulers in Israel, but I cannot think of any who wanted to deliberately replace the nation with outsiders like what we have happening here. That said, turning the the Bible is always in order.Dr.Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18360786634583725263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8986375963954453859.post-72883225991437563802008-12-21T00:53:00.000-06:002008-12-21T00:53:00.000-06:00Sgt. Joe Friday, As I was following a thread at Ga...Sgt. Joe Friday, <BR/>As I was following a thread at Gates of Vienna,(linked from Mr. Morris' site, thank you Terry.) I was tempted to speculate that perhaps the reason politicians are so eager to encourage immigration is to assure the continued increase in our number of taxpayers. That way the unrealistic revenue projections of Congress will never need to be revised and the economy won't collapse. <BR/><BR/>What do you think about that as a reason for the continued refusal to properly fund ICE or to address the problems of illegal immigration effectively?<BR/><BR/>Actually that would also have the potential to set up a base population of folks who won't oppose the government on anything as they could be deported if they do. Taxpayers who have no effective voice under the law - a dictators dream.<BR/><BR/>Sometimes I worry about myself when bits start coming together like that. It makes me feel slightly evil to even be able to consider such a possibility as reality and slightly sick as well, knowing that there are some who would.<BR/><BR/>Now I have to ask for reassurance that I'm just seeing shadows where none exist again. <BR/><BR/>I think I'll go and have a look through the book of Psalms to reassure myself.Call Me Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17420259973871484926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8986375963954453859.post-44163232616290654632008-12-18T19:42:00.000-06:002008-12-18T19:42:00.000-06:00It's about the same time frame for me. I used to d...It's about the same time frame for me. I used to drive for a carriage service. It was the best job ever. (Although it could get chilly in winter and too hot in summer, but that's WI.)Call Me Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17420259973871484926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8986375963954453859.post-91486183545296827292008-12-18T17:44:00.000-06:002008-12-18T17:44:00.000-06:00Great Quote! I used to work quite a bit with harn...Great Quote! I used to work quite a bit with harness horses, but it has been about 12 years. Truly majestic creatures.DRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02513605442426244898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8986375963954453859.post-8202703631431743862008-12-18T17:40:00.000-06:002008-12-18T17:40:00.000-06:00"There is something about the outside of a horse t..."There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man." ~Winston Churchill<BR/><BR/> It's a while since I've been riding or driving myself.Call Me Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17420259973871484926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8986375963954453859.post-70601596098198055322008-12-18T17:23:00.000-06:002008-12-18T17:23:00.000-06:00Call Me Mom,That is very kind of you to say, we ha...Call Me Mom,<BR/><BR/>That is very kind of you to say, we have many non Catholic readers; I am glad to count you among them. <BR/><BR/>Both my wife and I have raised horses. My wife is definitely a horse person. Though currently we live in a small city so we don't currently own any.DRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02513605442426244898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8986375963954453859.post-50678724905548382862008-12-17T21:06:00.000-06:002008-12-17T21:06:00.000-06:00Dr. D, That's not reassuring.DR, Thanks. I visit y...Dr. D, <BR/>That's not reassuring.<BR/><BR/>DR, <BR/>Thanks. I visit your blog often and often agree with many of your posts as well. I do my best to appreciate the more Catholic oriented posts even though I am not a Catholic.<BR/><BR/>Non-PC person that I am, I am wondering if your wife is a horsewoman.(Besides, I've spent a fair amount of time around horses myself and it's always good to know when fellow equestriennes are around.Call Me Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17420259973871484926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8986375963954453859.post-9228869742882021832008-12-17T18:54:00.000-06:002008-12-17T18:54:00.000-06:00Call Me Mom,I agree with a lot of your posts. My ...Call Me Mom,<BR/><BR/>I agree with a lot of your posts. My wife's family comes from Spain on one side and Ireland on the other and she is one of the strongest defenders of our Constitution. She is also a tireless advocate for secure borders. The people who came here legally tend to respect the country and our traditions more, in my opinion.DRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02513605442426244898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8986375963954453859.post-50068274077969032352008-12-17T17:46:00.000-06:002008-12-17T17:46:00.000-06:00Sorry, Mom. I think things are much worse than wha...Sorry, Mom. I think things are much worse than what either you or Joe have described. I suggest that you did your foxhole a bit deeper.Dr.Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18360786634583725263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8986375963954453859.post-61457394269307918082008-12-17T16:15:00.000-06:002008-12-17T16:15:00.000-06:00Sgt. Joe, Welcome to the blog.I think your numbers...Sgt. Joe, <BR/>Welcome to the blog.<BR/>I think your numbers on immigration are low, but other than that, you raise some good questions.<BR/><BR/>In that vein, I have been asking myself for the last few years what I would have been doing over the last several decades if I had been the King of Saudi Arabia.<BR/> I think:<BR/>-The goal of Islam is to conquer the world for Allah.<BR/>-Saudi Arabia is, according to some of the reading I have done, one of three current contenders for heading up the next caliphate. <BR/>- Wasabisim, the more radical (some would say the more correct) form of Islam, is promulgated in Saudi Arabia and that government supports and exports it worldwide. <BR/>-Saudi Arabia controls OPEC. <BR/>-OPEC controls the price of oil.<BR/>-Gas has gone to $4.00/gallon and back to under $2.00/gallon during this latest election cycle.<BR/>-There are questions about whether or not our president elect is eligible to sit as president and the MSM remains silent.(Pravda is apparently reporting on this, but the American MSM won't touch it.)<BR/>-Our president-elect spent his formative years in a public school in a Muslim country. (Give me a child until he is seven and I will give you the man," ~ Francis Xavier) <BR/>-There is a sudden push to make all financial institutions shar'ia compliant.<BR/><BR/>One wonders why one should look for armed forces to present the greatest threat, when economic warfare is so much harder to detect and resist. You refer to the "elites " in our country knowing what they want. I'm not so sure they are that clever or long sighted. <BR/><BR/>I think we may have just seen the cracking of an economic whip wielded by someone who has had several decades to think about and plan their goals and the methods by which they can be brought to fruition. Great Britain has already been brought to heel through economic warfare. (See <A HREF="http://www.iousathemovie.com/" REL="nofollow">I.O.U.S.A. </A>) <BR/><BR/>I think we are next. I think the immigration we need to restrict the most is going to be the most encouraged in political and MSM circles except for those very few with foresight and character. <BR/><BR/>Maybe that puts me squarely in tin-foil hat territory. I hope I'm only seeing shadows where there are none. Reassure me gentlemen. Tell me something that makes this all silly.Call Me Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17420259973871484926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8986375963954453859.post-52042731842922833162008-12-17T13:10:00.000-06:002008-12-17T13:10:00.000-06:00Just found this site, and thought I might contibut...Just found this site, and thought I might contibute my two cents, as it were.<BR/><BR/>In all the debate over the issue, no one seems to have asked the question where the harm would be in admitting fewer immigrants. Politicians across the spectrum, from George Bush to Ted Kennedy splutter indignantly at the suggestion that immigration should be reduced, but they can't articulate why, except to make sweeping, outlandish predictions of econimic collpase if we don't have a surplus of low skill, low productivity labor. (As for economic collapse, my own opinion on why we are on the verge of one is that it has a lot to do with lending money to people who are unable to pay it back, a great number of them being those same low skill, low productivity immigrants.)<BR/><BR/>But back to my point. Think about it: what is the real harm in letting fewer people in? If it turns out to be a mistake, it is one that is corrected very easily by relaxing the quotas. But if letting too many immigrants in, legal or otherwise, is a mistake, which I believe it is, we're stuck. We can't round the immigrants up at some future date and tell them "hey, we let you in by mistake. You gotta go home."<BR/><BR/>Every year, we let in 2 million immigrants, about half of them illegal. This is because our political elites have decided that is what they want. Make no mistake, what is happening is being done to us on purpose. Ask yourself why that would be, and you may find that you arrive at an answer that makes you very uncomfortable with not only this issue, but the direction we are lead in other matters as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8986375963954453859.post-86863044950259812792008-12-15T13:55:00.000-06:002008-12-15T13:55:00.000-06:00Terry, Thank you for holding down the fort. Yes, t...Terry, <BR/>Thank you for holding down the fort. Yes, that is what I meant. I'm not saying it's right, just noticing the difference in how the two terms sound to American ears. <BR/>Sometimes it is difficult to convey sarcasm in writing.Call Me Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17420259973871484926noreply@blogger.com