Thursday, July 1, 2010

What Separation of Church and State?

Congratulations my fellow citizens! We now know what faith Mr. Obama truly claims as his own. He is an American! What's that you say? America is a country not a faith?

Not according to the man sitting in the oval office who declared today that “Being an American is not a matter of blood or birth, it’s a matter of faith,”

To be fair, this was a speech he was giving about the illegal alien situation, which doesn't really make it much better, but gives you some context. However, if this president is really proposing the idea that citizenship is a matter of faith, then why have immigration laws at all?

Either way, had a conservative said something this out of whack, this out of touch and this nonsensical, the mainstream press would have been all over him or her. (Not to mention the ACLU. Where's the outrage over this psuedo establishment of a state religion? Where are the objections over their precious Jeffersonian out-of-context "separation of church and state"?)

Truth is objective, not subjective. Something either is true or it is not and no amount of idealistic bibble-babble can change the truth. Citizenship is, in fact, a matter of blood and birth. One may become a citizen of this nation by sacrificing one's citizenship in any other nation, but faith has nothing to do with citizenship. Except, perhaps, for citizenship in the kingdom of heaven.

"Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding."~ Prov 22:23

13 comments:

Doug Indeap said...

Note that the term "faith" has meanings other than the religious one you focus on.

The American Heritage Dictionary defines it to mean:

1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief, trust.
3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
4. often Faith Christianity The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
5. The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.
6. A set of principles or beliefs.

Perhaps, just perhaps, Obama used the term to mean belief in American ideals.

Call Me Mom said...

Hello Doug and welcome to the blog.

You are correct in that the word "faith" may be used to indicate something other than a religion, but none of the definitions of faith which you provided from the AHD are capable of conferring(1.to grant or bestow)citizenship. The point was to get my readers to think about what such a statement is really saying about Mr. Obama.

For the leader of a nation to make such a statement, when citizens of his nation are being killed by illegal immigrants and the borders of his nation are being compromised because he refuses to secure them, is unacceptable.

His first duty, as commander in chief, is the defense of this nation and her citizens.

Portions of a national park along the border have been closed to AMERICANS because of the heavy traffic by violent illegal aliens in those areas.

Foreign drug dealers have set up multiple, permanent lookout stations - on AMERICAN soil - and our troops have not been deployed to retake that soil and protect our citizens from these heavily armed, clearly malicious illegal immigrants.

There have been multiple, documented instances of Mexican military violations of our border.

Here is an absolutely legitimate use for our troops and yet, they have not been deployed.

Then the man currently occupying the oval office has the gall to file suit on behalf of the federal government against the state government for attempting to do the job he should be doing in securing our borders? For that man to say citizenship is a matter of faith? No, no it is not and I for one, am not willing to grant him one millimeter of leeway on this issue.

Mr. Obama needs to be securing our borders. That is his most fundamental duty as commander in chief. To indicate in any manner that such encroachments on our borders may be justified 'because citizenship isn't about blood or birth, but rather faith', in any of it's multiple meanings is, unacceptable and in the context of the current situation, it is vile.

Mr. Obama's inaction, in allowing this breach of our borders to continue for one minute longer than it takes for him to hear about it, should be grounds for impeachment at best and treason at worst. He is in breach of his oath and his duty. In my opinion.

Call Me Mom said...
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While I am yet free said...

Doug, read his statement again: "Being an American is NOT a matter of blood or birth..." This speaks directly to the law, and by his statement, he rejects the law. Indeed, our Declaration states "Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes."

This doesn't do anything to help me reject the notion that he is interested in literally "fundamentally transforming our country."

Douglas V. Gibbs said...

Wow, I didn't pick up on that when he said it. I heard the speech, but was more dazzled by his willingness to throw around the weight of the federal government. Obama's "matter of faith" statement, I think, exposes that he doesn't really understand what faith truly is. Or, perhaps he knows that those that are most against him are those of faith, and now he needs to start sounding like he is a man of faith (by using the word 'faith' as much as he can, I suppose) in order to win them back (not that he ever had us in the first place). The Liberal mind is a fascinating thing. They do not understand principles. It is a big popularity contest that uses tactics to deceive, counterfeit, and pay off for support. . . Gosh, that almost sounds like. . . naw, I would never drag Lucifer into this topic - but the similarities are indeed striking.

DR said...

Hope you and your family had a great 4th. Off topic but I listened to several of your blog radio episodes. You are doing a great job and your son is a credit to you and your husband. I look at my college years as a complete waste now.

My degree has nothing to do with any job I have ever held and I have learned so much since I have left college and started self educating. It will be a hard choice for your son but it sounds like he is headed in the right direction.

As for diversity my experience was that college was more segregated and clicky than high school. I really didn't experience any diversity until I joined the military. Also please tell me the college you are talking about is not Catholic. I am so sick of my faith being besmirched by liberals pretending to be Catholic.

Call Me Mom said...

Thanks so much DR. That gave me a chuckle when I really needed one.

I hope he will choose to attend the college,(Not Catholic, I think it's Lutheran.) but more for the opportunity to work more with the professor from whom he has been taking lessons for the last 4-5 years than out of any expectation that he will get much more than that out of it. (Although some business classes might be an asset to him.)

DR said...

What a powerful episode today. I cannot believe what your family went through. These public schools are completely out of control. Not only do they no longer educate children in our country's history but they are constantly undermining parents and filling the children's days with hours of meaningless leftist propaganda.

They are not public schools anymore they are government schools and DC dictates to them more with each passing day. Excellent job. Never tire in your fight. You are having an impact.

Call Me Mom said...

Thanks DR,
I often feel like I am "tilting at windmills".

I cannot understand how it is that the other parents on the governing board were shocked to find out that this could be done to their child. How they can thank me for bringing it to their attention, assure me that they would be having a talk with their own children about their rights and what to do in such a situation. Then go on to deny that all of our parents should have the right to protect their children from this type of incident in some way, preferring instead to voice the cry of "safety over all".

I found it very discouraging. Any ideas on what my next step should be?

Mr. Leibam told me that his fellows in the legislature believe that parents will do all they can to keep their children from being prosecuted when they have done something worthy of prosecution. He clearly does not understand that that is the point, to give parents the opportunity to protect their children in the same way that they would protect themselves. Better ten guilty men go free...right? This is the danger of electing a fiscal conservative rather than a Constitutional conservative. He/She may save you money, but they'll let your freedoms go down the tubes. (As was evidenced by Mr. Leibam's vote to make auto insurance mandatory in this state.)
Freedom is a dangerous business. That's why we are "The Home of the Brave". Lately, I grow more and more concerned that I am living in the land of the safe, the home of the cowardly.

DR said...

I wish I had advice for you. I have been dealing with the same attitudes when it comes to gun rights and veterans parental rights. They would rather see innocent parents persecuted and deny millions of Americans their God given right to own firearms to protect themselves then to see one incident. I don't know how we defeat that kind of mentality. Too many people are willing to give up their freedoms for a false sense of security.

During a conversation with our school superintendent I had told him children are supposed to come first and he replied that I was wrong, that the collective good had to come first. That is why my son is not being advanced so that his perfect grades can raise the classes grade point average. I don't care what they tell me, that is the reason. They hinted at it before they denied it later.

You are exactly right about Sen. Leibham and a lot of other politicians. Unfortunately it is now common practice to ridicule anyone who takes a pro-liberty stance. Our state is not impressing me with its parental rights stance. We barely have any here. I would love to know why none of the candidates this year are discussing returning the rights to the parents that the state has wrongly stolen.

Call Me Mom said...

I'll bet if you threaten to homeschool, the advancement problem will go away.
I'd like to know more about the veteran's parental rights problem. Have you a post or two about it on your blog?
The folks on Mr. Johnson's facebook wall have been fairly responsive when I have asked questions. (They haven't answered the questions, but they respond.)
Maybe we should get together and do some brainstorming.

DR said...

I have threatened to put all the kids in private school and that improved the situation until the end of the semester. To be perfectly honest, once I get the finances in order they are all going to Catholic school. I am not impressed at all with public school. All that matters to them is federal dollars with federal strings attached.

I brought the veteran's issue up right before we moved to Wisconsin. I personally handed the information to my state senator and he refused to do anything.

I had read in the Army or Marine Corps Times that wives were waiting for their husband's to deploy, then quick moving out of state and divorcing them and because their husbands were deployed they were able to avoid a hearing over moving the kids out of state. That outraged me quite a bit so I tried to get them some help. Luckily it is an issue I will never have to deal with.

I have had some issues with communications being really slow from Johnson's camp, but he is not a career politician so it will take him a while to get everything up and running.

Brainstorming sounds like a great idea, the baby will be here in just over a month then SR and I will have some time.

Call Me Mom said...

"wives were waiting for their husband's to deploy, then quick moving out of state and divorcing them and because their husbands were deployed they were able to avoid a hearing over moving the kids out of state"
That is so rude (and dangerous for the kids). If they want a divorce, get one, but stay where Dad is accessible for the children.

You have my e-mail.